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before the rusty, latticed fence
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March 15th, 2008 - 5:36 PM

in real life conversations..
on the interweb, while writing emails/posting on messageboards, etc..
in popular culture, in general..

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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March 15th, 2008 - 5:38 PM

i have read a whole paper on this. should i try to explain it? because it seemed pretty right on.

p__

before the rusty, latticed fence
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March 15th, 2008 - 5:38 PM

i have as well.
who is it authored by?

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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March 15th, 2008 - 5:40 PM

bambi schieffelin and don kulick i think

p__

before the rusty, latticed fence
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March 15th, 2008 - 5:52 PM

i'm not necessarily interested in any academic discourses/perspectives on the matter, since my views would likely fall within similar veins..

i want to hear/understand the reasoning & logic of persons who do so routinely, &/or whether or not they do it voluntarily or otherwise..

phawnatical

Saint John
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March 15th, 2008 - 6:04 PM

i catch myself saying it like, a lot. i try to like not use it and like hate using it but it like comes out way too much time like the time i posted on moc about it like i sounded like a bit douche.

p__

before the rusty, latticed fence
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March 15th, 2008 - 6:08 PM

right.

i could've been more prickly in my phrasing the question when i posted the thread title, but chose not to, since i really do wanna know..

katelyn2

NASHVILLE/TN
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 6542

March 15th, 2008 - 6:09 PM

I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.

& i say it all the time.
& i don't know how to stop.

HELP! srsly. :(

i feel like such a fucking tool every time i inappropriately use the word "like" and i have tried to stop, but it's rather difficult. especially considering i've probably made a habit of it for close to 10 years now...shit. i am lame.

phawnatical

Saint John
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March 15th, 2008 - 6:25 PM

seriously, i really do try to catch myself using it.

zeeebrazombie

ATLANTA/GA
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Posts: 20

March 15th, 2008 - 6:45 PM

it's just automatic
once you stop you pretty much can't stop
it's mindboggling :/

zeeebrazombie

ATLANTA/GA
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Posts: 20

March 15th, 2008 - 6:45 PM

i mean once you start you pretty much can't stop

emilectrique

WOODBRIDGE/VA
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Posts: 4841

March 15th, 2008 - 6:46 PM

social filler?

UM
AND
Y'KNOW

katelyn2

NASHVILLE/TN
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Posts: 6542

March 15th, 2008 - 6:53 PM

"pretty much" is something else i say far too often.
& "obviously"
& "essentially"
& "um no"
& "fucking" as an adjective
i should just have my brain completely erased & start over so my vocab doesn't sound like a 13 year old valley girl who's being rebellious in the 80s.

noahsark

Østfold
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 3137

March 15th, 2008 - 6:53 PM

"um" is by far my worst :\

zeeebrazombie

ATLANTA/GA
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:01 PM

um should never be allowed anymore
unfortunately most of my sentences start with "um"
or "so"

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:26 PM

Okay, since i have nothing better to do, and it would seem that there is a lack of understanding, I am going to throw this out there:

People use like to compare things "x" is like "y" but that is not really the way you are talking about i am guessing.

So what about this.

It is very common for people to say something similar to: "He said 'shut the fuck up asshole!'. " We call this reported speech, and when people do this, it is usually very effective in representing other people and other points of view. So when you quote someone, you are not only repeating what they said but representing them as a certain type of person (in this case, a rude person). Verbs like say, told, yelled, asserted, and pronounced all act as markers that we can use mark of a certain "voice" in the flow of a conversation of a narrative. But what you cannot represent grammatically (as those verbs do) is people's emotions or intentions. It would appear that the way that 'like' is used in conversations and in IMs fills that gap. For one thing, it makes it so you do not have perfectly represent what people say. Saying "he sad 'X' " is open to criticism ("No I didn't!"). But saying "he was like "x" ' is really not. Because in some sense, you are not talking about what people say, but about their sort of attitude, intentions, general character. A lot of people seem to think that "like" is a filler, but most of the time when it is used it is used with grammatical continuity: there is a pattern. And its cool, because it is a linguistic innovation, of the kind that leads to language change, of the kind that has led languages to evolve. It basically collapses the distinctions between speech and thought.

sayin

robotsonbabylon

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March 15th, 2008 - 7:27 PM

emilectrique Said:

social filler?

UM
AND
Y'KNOW

yes, all of these are basically used to either say "my turn of speaking is not over yet" or "please respond to what i just said"

ghostandshadows

LEWISBURG/TN
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:30 PM

why does it matter, argue something important , say for instance " what is my purpose for being on the planet?"

robotsonbabylon

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March 15th, 2008 - 7:32 PM

p__ Said:

i'm not necessarily interested in any academic discourses/perspectives on the matter, since my views would likely fall within similar veins..

i want to hear/understand the reasoning & logic of persons who do so routinely, &/or whether or not they do it voluntarily or otherwise..

I did not give you that of course, but I really think there is something to this particular perspective. Much of the time, what we say is outside our linguistic awareness, and I think "like" is one such case.

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:34 PM

teenagepoetry1 Said:

ghostandshadows Said:

why does it matter, argue something important , say for instance " what is my purpose for being on the planet?"

Because it's interesting to think about and makes for discussion that doesn't involve lolcats.

LOLS

ghostandshadows

LEWISBURG/TN
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:38 PM

no more hatorade for you cats

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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Posts: 2461

March 15th, 2008 - 7:40 PM

Academia is the strongest hatorade in the world.

cararara

BROOKLYN/NY
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:40 PM

it basically cushions your speech. for example, "i'm like really upset" is less matter-of-fact than "i'm really upset". i guess if you are more confident in what you are saying, you aren't as tempted to say like.

ghostandshadows

LEWISBURG/TN
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:43 PM

you can be plenty academic and not be pedantic and annoying , i know plenty of academics who don't wast their time trying to bellitle people they presume are stupid

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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March 15th, 2008 - 7:51 PM

ghostandshadows Said:

you can be plenty academic and not be pedantic and annoying , i know plenty of academics who don't wast their time trying to bellitle people they presume are stupid

dude, really? when i try to belittle you, i will try to be more blatant about it, i assure you. i will be more condescending, which means talking to you like you're stupid.

PostModernGurl

NEW YORK/NY
Joined: 02/01/08
Posts: 559

March 15th, 2008 - 8:01 PM

p__ Said:

in real life conversations..
on the interweb, while writing emails/posting on messageboards, etc..
in popular culture, in general..

it's the other way of saying 'uhm' cause cause you can't think of anything to say. :D

desireeee

OAKLAND/CA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 38268

March 15th, 2008 - 9:57 PM

i didn't read this thread at all
cause like
i just really didn't want to, but personally
for me
it started out as a terrible joke to act like a valley girl
and in the process
i realized something
I AM A VALLEY GIRL
like totally

jessbuck_wtf

NAPA/CA
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Posts: 1945

March 15th, 2008 - 11:06 PM

ITS A FILLER WORD FOR THOSE WHO DONT THINK FAST ENOUGH. JUST LIKE THE WORD UMMMM OR UHHHH

however i use it as well so im guilty... but i dont use it like a vall since im from the beach.

VALLS VS MALS! (malibu localsssssssssss)

hahaha

CMRuiz

SEATTLE/WA
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Posts: 7920

March 15th, 2008 - 11:46 PM

things : stuff :: objects : other stuff

jubs

SANFORD/FL
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Posts: 4976

March 16th, 2008 - 12:52 AM

dood like is there.
don' question it.

LoveForSale000

FORT LAUDERDALE/FL
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March 16th, 2008 - 12:56 AM

robotsonbabylon Said:

ghostandshadows Said:

you can be plenty academic and not be pedantic and annoying , i know plenty of academics who don't wast their time trying to bellitle people they presume are stupid

dude, really? when i try to belittle you, i will try to be more blatant about it, i assure you. i will be more condescending, which means talking to you like you're stupid.

haha

MechanicalWings

SAN JOSE/CA
Joined: 02/25/08
Posts: 1366

March 16th, 2008 - 1:31 AM

woo us californians ruined all yer vocabularies, fucking up the speech paterns and what not... i dunno, just drunk happy st patty pope day.

ResidentGenius

SALT LAKE CITY/UT
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 315

March 16th, 2008 - 7:43 AM

Asking to explain the frequent use of the word "like" is like asking to explain like Charlie The Unicorn & Candy Mountain

ResidentGenius

SALT LAKE CITY/UT
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March 16th, 2008 - 7:53 AM

p__ Said:

please explain the frequent use of the word "like"
Reply to topic

in real life conversations..
on the interweb, while writing emails/posting on messageboards, etc..
in popular culture, in general..

ResidentGenius Said:

Asking to explain the frequent use of the word "like" is like asking to explain like Charlie The Unicorn & Candy Mountain

P.S It's a real valid question, and all... However, can anyone ever explain?!?!?!... I guess, is the real question!!!

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 3863

March 16th, 2008 - 9:30 AM

aol did an article on this a while back. it made some sense...i will try and find it

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/like.html

verbal hiccup? idk ....

robotsonbabylon

SUQUAMISH/WA
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Posts: 2461

March 16th, 2008 - 9:37 AM

YEAH, THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT "LIKE" HERE IS A DIFFERENT USE THEN THE ONE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH RELATES TO REPRESENTING OTHERS' SPEECH. STILL, IT SEEMS TO HAVE SOME GRAMMATICAL RULES TO IT, AND IS USED DIFFERENTLY THEN "UM" ETC.

I am not trying to be pompous, this is just the kinda stuff I study so its cool to talk to other about it. Is that permissible?

ResidentGenius

SALT LAKE CITY/UT
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 315

March 16th, 2008 - 10:04 AM

robotsonbabylon Said:

YEAH, THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT "LIKE" HERE IS A DIFFERENT USE THEN THE ONE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH RELATES TO REPRESENTING OTHERS' SPEECH. STILL, IT SEEMS TO HAVE SOME GRAMMATICAL RULES TO IT, AND IS USED DIFFERENTLY THEN "UM" ETC.

I am not trying to be pompous, this is just the kinda stuff I study so its cool to talk to other about it. Is that permissible?

NO! LOL

ghostsandvodka

NEWARK/DE
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Posts: 1956

March 16th, 2008 - 10:37 AM

the word "like" commonly comes into play during conversations for lack of the ability to form coherent and succinct sentences