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PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 15th, 2008 - 9:37 PM

This one is for the big kids.

Do you have a political affiliation? If so, how well does it represent your political philosophy? If you plan to participate in the coming general election, do you have an idea which candidate you'll cast your vote for?

Use your words.

jihad_joe

Amman,Baghdad,Beirut,Lagos
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 1903

April 15th, 2008 - 9:46 PM

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

stare2clearskie

HARRISONBURG/VA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 4822

April 15th, 2008 - 9:57 PM

jihad_joe Said:

excellent!

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 3863

April 15th, 2008 - 9:59 PM

HE BEAT ME TO IT JOE!! Well anyhow -

AWESOOOOME

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 15th, 2008 - 10:00 PM

jihad_joe Said:

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

Thanks. This could stand to be the most substantive response in this thread.

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 3863

April 15th, 2008 - 10:01 PM

winnebagos Said:

jihad_joe Said:

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

Thanks. This could stand to be the most substantive response in this thread.

patience is a virtue.

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 15th, 2008 - 10:05 PM

xleighxcorex Said:

winnebagos Said:

jihad_joe Said:

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

Thanks. This could stand to be the most substantive response in this thread.

patience is a virtue.

Relevance?

stare2clearskie

HARRISONBURG/VA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 4822

April 15th, 2008 - 10:07 PM

winnebagos Said:

xleighxcorex Said:

winnebagos Said:

jihad_joe Said:

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

Thanks. This could stand to be the most substantive response in this thread.

patience is a virtue.

Relevance?

none stfu

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 3863

April 15th, 2008 - 10:12 PM

winnebagos Said:

xleighxcorex Said:

winnebagos Said:

jihad_joe Said:

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

Thanks. This could stand to be the most substantive response in this thread.

patience is a virtue.

Relevance?

This thread hasnt been up to long and you're irritated that no one will post anything of substance. Sure Joe's comment may have appeared to be immature. (I enjoyed it obviously.) But you should give your fellow mocers a chance. They are smart ones. They will post their opinions soon enough! (Probably.)

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 15th, 2008 - 10:14 PM

xleighxcorex Said:

winnebagos Said:

xleighxcorex Said:

winnebagos Said:

jihad_joe Said:

FUCK POLITICS

I haven't voted since 1998' , use to be pretty much pro-republican now i just don't care what goes about in America living as an Expatriate outside of America since 2002'.

Thanks. This could stand to be the most substantive response in this thread.

patience is a virtue.

Relevance?

This thread hasnt been up to long and you're irritated that no one will post anything of substance. Sure Joe's comment may have appeared to be immature. (I enjoyed it obviously.) But you should give your fellow mocers a chance. They are smart ones. They will post their opinions soon enough! (Probably.)

Oh. Well, the Internet and its magic machines have all the patience I need.

helpermonkey

GOODRICH/MI
Joined: 12/09/07
Posts: 379

April 15th, 2008 - 10:40 PM

I am not even registered to vote. I hate how people will vote for someone just becuase of the party they are in. its retarded. i woudl go 3rd party butonly mutanrs and weridos vote 3rd party LOL.

get_in_the_van

PITTSBURGH/PA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 1674

April 16th, 2008 - 8:00 AM

To actually answer the question,
I'm registered democrat.
I suppose it suits me, but probably not as well as some wacky third party with obscure interests would. However, I'm too lazy and realistic to go looking for it.
I voted for Obama.

iamameatpopsicl

Chicago
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 14023

April 16th, 2008 - 8:03 AM

how is this a "big kid" thread? jed stop trying to be a smarly pants

fastdivide

CAMBRIDGE/MA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 6738

April 16th, 2008 - 8:56 AM

I'm reasonably active in politics at least in terms of my representatives to Congress. I get voting/committee updates from my House guy (Michael Capuano) and from John Kerry (Ted Kennedy doesn't seem to offer this service), and I write letters to them a few times a year. State/local government is not nearly as accessible, unfortunately, so my participation on that front has been minimal.

I always vote, though I will not vote for seats whose candidates and their records are unknown to me. I will argue the merits of one candidate over another on a particular issue when I'm informed, though I rarely reveal my own voting record.

stare2clearskie

HARRISONBURG/VA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 4822

April 16th, 2008 - 9:05 AM

registered republican

i dont know who im gonna throw away my vote to...you cant write people in in va

alphadan

SOUTHBURY/CT
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 9491

April 16th, 2008 - 9:08 AM

Registered democrat... but that was under Clinton. A bit different than modern democrats.
That being said, the republicans are getting further and further from the republicans of old (they're no longer conservative in any way shape or form).

I pretty much vote 50/50.

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 1:16 PM

get_in_the_van Said:

I suppose it suits me, but probably not as well as some wacky third party with obscure interests would. However, I'm too lazy and realistic to go looking for it.

It probably has much less to do with being realistic than lazy. What isn't realistic about a third party?

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 1:18 PM

iamameatpopsicl Said:

how is this a "big kid" thread?

Oh, you know. People may have to form complete thoughts to express their views. Something like that.

thecabbler

sudbury
Joined: 02/19/08
Posts: 1204

April 16th, 2008 - 1:25 PM

winnebagos Said:

iamameatpopsicl Said:

how is this a "big kid" thread?

Oh, you know. People may have to form complete thoughts to express their views. Something like that.

man you are a huge intellectual douche....oh and i voted NDP...because jack layton is the man.

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 1:26 PM

thecabbler Said:

winnebagos Said:

iamameatpopsicl Said:

how is this a "big kid" thread?

Oh, you know. People may have to form complete thoughts to express their views. Something like that.

man you are a huge intellectual douche....

Maybe. Or, you're just a douche.

thecabbler

sudbury
Joined: 02/19/08
Posts: 1204

April 16th, 2008 - 1:29 PM

winnebagos Said:

thecabbler Said:

winnebagos Said:

iamameatpopsicl Said:

how is this a "big kid" thread?

Oh, you know. People may have to form complete thoughts to express their views. Something like that.

man you are a huge intellectual douche....

Maybe. Or, you're just a douche.

little bit of column a little bit of column b...although i don't act like i'm better than the person next to me because i have an inferiority complex.

Peachsalsa

DUMFRIES/VA
Joined: 02/18/08
Posts: 110

April 16th, 2008 - 1:37 PM

winnebagos Said:

thecabbler Said:

winnebagos Said:

iamameatpopsicl Said:

how is this a "big kid" thread?

Oh, you know. People may have to form complete thoughts to express their views. Something like that.

man you are a huge intellectual douche....

Maybe. Or, you're just a douche.

Formation of complete thoughts in action!
Very nice, very nice.

So...big kids' thread....I'm not even old enough, to vote, but I'm pretty damn conservative; I'm cautious about aligning myself with the Republican party. I had been rooting for Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter.

alphadan

SOUTHBURY/CT
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 9491

April 16th, 2008 - 1:39 PM

Ron Paul isn't really a republican as far as modern politics go.

Peachsalsa

DUMFRIES/VA
Joined: 02/18/08
Posts: 110

April 16th, 2008 - 1:49 PM

Yeah, I know....which is what i'm saying; I wouldn't necessarily support a Republican merely because he's a Republican. If it were a concern, I'd be going for McCain of course.

belle

HOLLIDAYSBURG/PA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 5854

April 16th, 2008 - 1:58 PM

I temporarily switched my party to Democrat so that I could vote in Pennsylvania's closed primary on April 22nd. I plan on switching back to non-affiliated after the primary.
I'm voting for Obama. Unrelated to my political beliefs, my mother is convinced that Obama is a Muslim and that his only agenda in the white house will be to take affirmative action to a whole new level.

alphadan

SOUTHBURY/CT
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 9491

April 16th, 2008 - 2:00 PM

Well, that may very well be something he does, which is scary as hell.

katelyn2

NASHVILLE/TN
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 6542

April 16th, 2008 - 2:41 PM

here's the short version:

i don't really identify necessarily without either the democrat or republican parties. i think the two-party system is a failure. i believe the government should be afraid of their people, and not the other way around.

i guess i believe in a social democracy. i don't want to live in a nation run by capitalism. and i want my nation's people to have what they need and be able to live their lives accordingly. both the republican and democrat parties are too focused on getting to the top...financially, politically, etc. i don't believe in abusing everyone in your way towards the top. i believe in human rights. i believe in every citizen having a voice in their governmental system, so that everyone's needs are met. so that social class lines blur and people can respect people simply because they are people and not based upon their financial, social, racial, gender, class, etc... status.

i'll stop. no one wants to hear about my idealism.

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 2:59 PM

thecabbler Said:

winnebagos Said:

thecabbler Said:

winnebagos Said:

iamameatpopsicl Said:

how is this a "big kid" thread?

Oh, you know. People may have to form complete thoughts to express their views. Something like that.

man you are a huge intellectual douche....

Maybe. Or, you're just a douche.

little bit of column a little bit of column b...although i don't act like i'm better than the person next to me because i have an inferiority complex.

So, how does your inferiority complex manifest itself?

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 3:00 PM

Peachsalsa Said:

Yeah, I know....which is what i'm saying; I wouldn't necessarily support a Republican merely because he's a Republican. If it were a concern, I'd be going for McCain of course.

What do you think of Libertarianism?

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 3:04 PM

belle Said:

I temporarily switched my party to Democrat so that I could vote in Pennsylvania's closed primary on April 22nd. I plan on switching back to non-affiliated after the primary.
I'm voting for Obama.

If you're not a Democrat, why did you vote in their primary?

belle Said:

Unrelated to my political beliefs, my mother is convinced that Obama is a Muslim and that his only agenda in the white house will be to take affirmative action to a whole new level.

Damn. That's some honky talk.

I think Hillary would be more militant about affirmative action than Obama.

katelyn2

NASHVILLE/TN
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 6542

April 16th, 2008 - 3:05 PM

where my radical leftists at?!?!

p__

before the rusty, latticed fence
Joined: 01/15/08
Posts: 464

April 16th, 2008 - 3:09 PM

katelyn2 Said:

where my radical leftists at?!?!

x

also, some of the responses in this thread makes my belly ache..

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 3:25 PM

katelyn2 Said:

i don't really identify necessarily without either the democrat or republican parties. i think the two-party system is a failure. i believe the government should be afraid of their people, and not the other way around.

I with you.

Peachsalsa

DUMFRIES/VA
Joined: 02/18/08
Posts: 110

April 16th, 2008 - 4:16 PM

winnebagos Said:

Peachsalsa Said:

Yeah, I know....which is what i'm saying; I wouldn't necessarily support a Republican merely because he's a Republican. If it were a concern, I'd be going for McCain of course.

What do you think of Libertarianism?

Uhh, I've been thinking about it lately, actually. I wouldn't say I'm quite there. So I guess I fall between "conservative Republicanism" and Libertarianism? Maybe? I try not to think into it too much.

I guess the thing is that I agree with the whole conservative Republican crowd on most things, mainly the major issues, but then there are places where I feel like they're either A) too meddlesome/authoritarian or B) caught up in this whole "so what if our senator looks for buttsex in airport bathrooms? YOURS was involved in a prostitution ring....." back-and-forth with the Democrats.

katelyn2

NASHVILLE/TN
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 6542

April 16th, 2008 - 4:18 PM

p & winnebago - let's start a commune!

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 4:45 PM

katelyn2 Said:

p & winnebago - let's start a commune!

I'm not the commune type, though I'd be happy to get fucked up on drugs and tend a community garden.

get_in_the_van

PITTSBURGH/PA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 1674

April 16th, 2008 - 4:48 PM

winnebagos Said:

get_in_the_van Said:

I suppose it suits me, but probably not as well as some wacky third party with obscure interests would. However, I'm too lazy and realistic to go looking for it.

It probably has much less to do with being realistic than lazy. What isn't realistic about a third party?

I'm not arguing against the reality of third parties. My issue is: what's realistic about voting third party?
The interests of most cater to very few.
I guess I'd like the person I cast my vote for to actually have shot at winning.
Or maybe I am just really lazy.

raccoon

SAN FRANCISCO/CA
Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2696

April 16th, 2008 - 6:11 PM

i dont even know what to say to you who are uniformed or dont vote. its pathetic.

anyway

i am unaffiliated, i am fiscally in the center, democratic on some issues green on others and libertarian on others.

i am a member of the "think about each issue separately and personally, research them and then decide" party

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 6:18 PM

get_in_the_van Said:

winnebagos Said:

get_in_the_van Said:

I suppose it suits me, but probably not as well as some wacky third party with obscure interests would. However, I'm too lazy and realistic to go looking for it.

It probably has much less to do with being realistic than lazy. What isn't realistic about a third party?

I'm not arguing against the reality of third parties. My issue is: what's realistic about voting third party?
The interests of most cater to very few.
I guess I'd like the person I cast my vote for to actually have shot at winning.
Or maybe I am just really lazy.

I see. You're looking for instant gratification, just like vast majority of the electorate. Have you ever thought about what it might take to have a viable third party?

raccoon

SAN FRANCISCO/CA
Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2696

April 16th, 2008 - 6:18 PM

p__ Said:

katelyn2 Said:

where my radical leftists at?!?!

x

also, some of the responses in this thread makes my belly ache..

yeah, i agree with conservative republicans too, cause abortion should cancelled, faggots suck, and the christian god should be in all schools.

those major issues?

or their right to monitor your life? invade other countries, spend all your money on war, and let big business do whatever it pleases, while burning down forrests to build burger kings.

other than *old* republican ideas about social services, size of government, freedom of the states to control themselves and fiscal responsability, what is it that you agree with them on?

cause till people answer that clearly and in full sentances, when you say you are republican or side with conservatives that is what i am going to assume. or do you mean how they (lol) "cut *your* taxes"?

winnebagos

PORTLAND/OR
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 512

April 16th, 2008 - 6:47 PM

raccoon Said:

i am a member of the "think about each issue separately and personally, research them and then decide" party

Good party. So, where has that taken your vote? Major party, or otherwise?

burning_monk

BRONX/NY
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 11423

April 16th, 2008 - 6:59 PM

i've voted in the majority of elections since i was a senior in high school
i'm against the conservative agenda
i try to stay well informed but there is always more to learn

EnderWiggin

LAKE FOREST/CA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 8919

April 16th, 2008 - 7:57 PM

I refuse to declare a political affiliation. But I'm pretty socially liberal and somewhat conservative in other areas.

EnderWiggin

LAKE FOREST/CA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 8919

April 16th, 2008 - 7:59 PM

Oh, and what candidates ARE there to vote for this year, but the two Democrats--if you're not a raging whackaloon?

beardofdoom

SEMINOLE/FL
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 2709

April 16th, 2008 - 8:20 PM

i feel like i sold out by voting for kerry in 2004. i won't be making that mistake again.
it's not that i don't vote, but rather that i cast a vote for none of the candidates.

my political views are pretty radical. i probably wouldn't even describe myself as leftists, because the whole distinction is irrelevant. i believe in personal (and from that societal) emancipation from within. politics as it stands is a joke. i reject the notion of progress. i reject the notion of goals and ends. revolution (and hence utopia) is possible at each and every moment and must be grasped by any means necessary.

so yeah, not voting.

EnderWiggin

LAKE FOREST/CA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 8919

April 16th, 2008 - 8:23 PM

Dude. You just might be an Anarchist!

cararara

BROOKLYN/NY
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 444

April 16th, 2008 - 8:29 PM

i'm pretty much a textbook liberal, and a democrat. i'm left of center on social issues and right of center on economic issues. i'm also fascinated by our political system despite its flaws.

EnderWiggin Said:

Oh, and what candidates ARE there to vote for this year, but the two Democrats--if you're not a raging whackaloon?

holy_cannoli

NEW YORK/NY
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 3610

April 16th, 2008 - 8:45 PM

I'm of the belief that if you dont vote, you dont really have a right to complain about the direction the country goes in, left or right...

so, that said, I vote whenever possible.

I'll vote Obama come fall.

My viewpoints are closely aligned with that of socialism, but I dont foresee that flying in the U.S. anytime soon, so I guess you could say I'm a democrat on most occasions and an independent sometimes. I dont vote for third parties because I think it takes away votes where they are needed.

capnhist

SEATTLE/WA
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 1307

April 16th, 2008 - 8:46 PM

"i'm pretty much a textbook liberal, and a democrat. "

Actually, if you're a textbook liberal then you're most likely a republican, as textbook liberals are for free trade and economic openness.

I'm a register snotty independent, but I went to the Democratic caucuses here in Washington. I think it's really a function of what sort of system you have in the place where you live. In Oregon all voting is done by absentee ballots, so I voted but never gave a shit. Then when I was overseas it took a lot of effort to get a ballot, and I never felt like I had a stake in the system so I opted out. Now I'm living in Seattle and they have a neighborhood caucus system for presidential elections which makes participation feel more substantive.

Tying yourself to a party regardless of that party's position seems self-defeating. Parties change. Just look at the "Southern Democrats" that consistantly screwed up elections from the 1930's on, until they all defected to the Republican party because they didn't think the darkies should be able to read.

Regardless of how I feel about the current system and its systemic inequalities, voting finally has achieved a visible impact on my quality of life, so I tend to keep doing it while I wait for another 1930's-style union revolution following the past decade of unbelievable corporate greed and exploitation. Goddamn AFL-CIO, get off your asses.

In the end, though, we will be conquered by a race of giant ants, aking the whole voting thing moot. I, for one, welcome our new ant overlords.

holy_cannoli

NEW YORK/NY
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 3610

April 16th, 2008 - 8:49 PM

"Actually, if you're a textbook liberal then you're most likely a republican, as textbook liberals are for free trade and economic openness. "

So Bill Clinton was a republican? Last time I checked he was a centrist democrat and he was one of the most classical liberal presidents we've ever had.