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xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
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April 17th, 2008 - 7:51 AM

My school is holding a panel on the death penalty tonite. What is your stance on this matter? Yes/No?

beardofdoom

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:03 AM

that's a big no.

this country is long overdue for some prison reform.

jihad_joe

Amman,Baghdad,Beirut,Lagos
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April 17th, 2008 - 8:11 AM

that's a big Yes, why allow scum bags work out , get 3 meals a day in prison.. so they can get break out and go rape some teens.. yeah thats just great.

xleighxcorex

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:13 AM

ooh differing opinions. fantastic! anyone else?

also i will share my opinion shortly. i have some work to do first.

LSD

WASHINGTON/DC
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April 17th, 2008 - 8:17 AM

I think it would be more palatable with a different name. Instead of the "death penalty", why not call it the "death prize"? Of course, the downside of this would be that people would probably go out and commit more capital crimes, because they want to win a prize.

xleighxcorex

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:26 AM

haha name change. got it. so you're for the death prize then?

LSD

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:39 AM

I don't know, really, I'm conflicted on the subject. I sort of agree with both opinions above, in a way: I oppose the prison system in general, but I do feel that there are plenty of assholes in the world who deserve to die. It just doesn't feel quite right to be in the company of China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. when it comes to the state killing people. But then again, we have what, like 7 million people in the prison system in this country? That totally sucks.

algorithm

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:41 AM

DIE DIE DEATH DIE KILL EM ALL KILL EM ALL LET THEM ALL BURN!

beardofdoom

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:47 AM

however, i am down for more realistic reality tv. like if "survivor" was really about surviving.

basically, i could get behind it if it was more like "the running man."

xleighxcorex

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:53 AM

/not relevant.

algorithm

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:55 AM

YOUR FACE IS NOT RELEVANT!

LSD

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April 17th, 2008 - 9:02 AM

xleighxcorex Said:

/not relevant.

I think it might be, if I'm understanding the idea correctly...instead of executions behind closed doors, we could have them on TV, and instead of boring lethal injection, the convicts could be chased by packs of wild dogs or bears or crackheads with machetes or something...so they'd have a slim chance of escape, to make it sporting, and it would make for great reality television!

vanusempty

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April 17th, 2008 - 9:08 AM

algorithm Said:

DIE DIE DEATH DIE KILL EM ALL KILL EM ALL LET THEM ALL BURN!

algorithm

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April 17th, 2008 - 9:09 AM

including misdemeanor criminals.

beardofdoom

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April 17th, 2008 - 9:14 AM

LSD Said:

xleighxcorex Said:

/not relevant.

I think it might be, if I'm understanding the idea correctly...instead of executions behind closed doors, we could have them on TV, and instead of boring lethal injection, the convicts could be chased by packs of wild dogs or bears or crackheads with machetes or something...so they'd have a slim chance of escape, to make it sporting, and it would make for great reality television!

while i'm against the death penalty, i think that if we are going to have it, we should be more honest about it. this whole bullshit about humane execution and such is ridiculous. it's DEATH. you're fucking killing someone. what difference does it make? it's all about trying to make this distinction between us and them, about how are killing is different than their killing. so, if that's the case, then lets bring back the spectacle of it, which in my opinion is the real purpose of executions. the image of death is far more of a deterrent than actual death. just sayin.

vanusempty

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April 17th, 2008 - 9:27 AM

beardofdoom Said:

LSD Said:

xleighxcorex Said:

/not relevant.

I think it might be, if I'm understanding the idea correctly...instead of executions behind closed doors, we could have them on TV, and instead of boring lethal injection, the convicts could be chased by packs of wild dogs or bears or crackheads with machetes or something...so they'd have a slim chance of escape, to make it sporting, and it would make for great reality television!

while i'm against the death penalty, i think that if we are going to have it, we should be more honest about it. this whole bullshit about humane execution and such is ridiculous. it's DEATH. you're fucking killing someone. what difference does it make? it's all about trying to make this distinction between us and them, about how are killing is different than their killing. so, if that's the case, then lets bring back the spectacle of it, which in my opinion is the real purpose of executions. the image of death is far more of a deterrent than actual death. just sayin.

very well spoken.

rust

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:02 AM

LSD Said:

I don't know, really, I'm conflicted on the subject. I sort of agree with both opinions above, in a way: I oppose the prison system in general, but I do feel that there are plenty of assholes in the world who deserve to die. It just doesn't feel quite right to be in the company of China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. when it comes to the state killing people. But then again, we have what, like 7 million people in the prison system in this country? That totally sucks.

So killing people for premeditated murder puts us in the same boat as killing people for being born gay, changing your religion, tax fraud, not being cool with the communist party..?

LSD

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:11 AM

rust Said:

So killing people for premeditated murder puts us in the same boat as killing people for being born gay, changing your religion, tax fraud, not being cool with the communist party..?

In absolute terms, yes...but I take your point.

stare2clearskie

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:18 AM

vanusempty Said:

algorithm Said:

DIE DIE DEATH DIE KILL EM ALL KILL EM ALL LET THEM ALL BURN!

thecabbler

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:39 AM

for the most part i would have to say that i am against the death penalty. as a society i think we are far beyond eye for an eye bullshit. killing a person is not going to bring back the deceased.

although the reality tv death sentence is a super awesome idea.

beardofdoom

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:42 AM

vanusempty Said:

very well spoken.

thanks. it's kind of what i do, you know?

jubs

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:52 AM

i used to be against it, but now i dont care cause it'll never be relevant to me.
actually i think the death penalty should be relevant to the way they killed someone.
did soandso stab said victim 49 times in the legs and crucify them while leaving a clothes iron strapped to their skull?
recreate that scenario. haha televise that shit

jubs

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:53 AM

ugh redundant. my bad

JoanJettofArc

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April 17th, 2008 - 11:37 AM

beardofdoom Said:

that's a big no.

this country is long overdue for some prison reform.

cary is my brotha from another motha

beardofdoom

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April 17th, 2008 - 12:04 PM

JoanJettofArc Said:

beardofdoom Said:

that's a big no.

this country is long overdue for some prison reform.

cary is my brotha from another motha

then i guess these feelings i have are ok since we're kinda southern?

JoanJettofArc

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April 17th, 2008 - 12:21 PM

A-OKAY SAY THESE GUYS!

burning_monk

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April 17th, 2008 - 1:14 PM

against
it's an imperfect system that hands out death to those that a handful of "average" people deemed worth killing/guilty. and in that mistakes are made. it's common knowledge in this day and age (to anyone that isn't a moron) that innocent people have and do end up on death row. that alone is enough of a reason to be against it.
the imaginary "benefits" of the death (as opposed to a life sentence) of the truly guilty does not outweigh the murder of innocent people. and i would ask those who disagree if they would be shouting their support for the death penalty if they ended up on death row through some kind of mistaken identity/racism/clerical error/etc.
for those who think prison is some kind of dream vacation, you are beyond stupid. talk to someone who has been in prison even for a short time and ask them if it was a nice time. a closet for a room, a tv, food, weights, and the constant fear that some kind of shit is going to go down 24/7 for the rest of your life is "the good life?" Not to me. And not to the large majority of prisoners in the US.
the death penalty isn't a deterrent.
it costs more to fight appeals for death sentences than it does to keep a prisoner for a life sentence.
the death penalty is favored by a lot of the countries we peace and freedom loving Americans deem to have abhorrent governments.

forkimified

Ottawa
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April 17th, 2008 - 1:25 PM

burning_monk Said:

against
it's an imperfect system that hands out death to those that a handful of "average" people deemed worth killing/guilty. and in that mistakes are made. it's common knowledge in this day and age (to anyone that isn't a moron) that innocent people have and do end up on death row. that alone is enough of a reason to be against it.

elizaelectric

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April 17th, 2008 - 1:33 PM

i agree with against.
i know that a lot of the time there is more punishment in having someone rot in prison than to be executed. i also don't think it's right that anyone should have the legal authority/ authority whatsoever to take a life.

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
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April 17th, 2008 - 7:20 PM

I am against the death penalty.

Plain and simple I dont think its right to take another persons life. Even if they've raped and killed my child, taking their life does not ultimately give me justice and help me sleep at night. I dont think people realize this but it takes about 15 years to get through the trials that result in life in imprisonment and eventually a sentence to death. Do I want to lose my child and then go through 15 years of trials and misery only to end in yet another murder?

There are so many reasons that the death penalty should be reviewed by our country (and our world??) and be abolished. I'm not going to list every reason because I know you guys get thread a.d.d. when you see long responses but basically I think you should consider the following:

-Doctors are sworn to take the Hippocratic oath to "preserve life." Doctors do not administer lethal injections (our current form of approved murder). The first round of three injections that end a persons life is the dose for anesthesia which is often put in incorrectly or not enough is injected, both resulting in a person receiving the next drug for paralysis and ultimately a very painful death.

-Our prisons are not overrun with criminals that are sentenced to the death penalty. The statistics only end up being about 90-100 people a year for the entire country. This means that keeping these people in prisoners and having our tax dollars pay for the security to keep them there (because it costs more for their security [and ours] than it does to feed them, etc) adds up to be less than it would be to say: go through fifteen years of trials to sentence a person to death, perform lethal injections/gas chamber deaths, or even go through the appeals courts to keep sentencing a person to their death.
I dont see why life in prison is such a big deal to some people. Most people dont even live out their prison sentences anyway.

I just really dont think its right to kill another person. What we are doing in our country right now is saying that murder is wrong and then murdering the people that murder - which is wrong. Does that make any sense at all??

And Joe:

jihad_joe Said:

that's a big Yes, why allow scum bags work out , get 3 meals a day in prison.. so they can get break out and go rape some teens.. yeah thats just great.

most prisoners barely get "work out time", the food is not exactly the yummy catering I get in college (ha) and do you really think a person that is convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison and possibly murder, but then we abolish the death penalty, that we are just going to let them run amock and kill our kids?? Prisoners are typically put in a tiny cell with three other people, only two beds, and one toilet. Does that sound like a life of luxury to you?

Fun fact: The U.S. is fifth on the list of countries in 2007 that killed the most people in capital punishment. The number of deaths is a homely 42 compared to the other four countries but I still see this as an issue. Virginia, my homestate, is right behind Texas in owning up to the most deaths in our countries history. Sweet huh? =/

List of methods historically used in capital punishment. And its a long one.

EnderWiggin

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:36 PM

For certain kinds of crimes, YES.

RESOUNDING YES.

If you have a convicted child rapist in prison who has admitted to repeatedly raping children, there is NO REASON to be keeping that person alive.

There's no reason for Charlie Manson to be sitting around burbling "I'm up here! You're down here." Sure, he's fun to watch and all, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Just from a monetary standpoint, why are we taking care of people who have thoroughly proven they cannot exist in society without willfully endangering everyone around them?

The estimated cost of keeping someone alive on death row is about $50,000.00.

Tell me that money couldn't be better spent elsewhere, like in outreach programs, better school counselors, people who can recognize the warning signs in kids before they climb a tower with a sniper rifle.

And don't give me this BS about "life is precious." We issue kids medals for brutally killing other young kids in a ritual we call "war."

beardofdoom

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:45 PM

EnderWiggin Said:

And don't give me this BS about "life is precious." We issue kids medals for brutally killing other young kids in a ritual we call "war."

yeah, well, i didn't sign up for that BS either.

killing is killing, no matter what name or justification you put behind it.

burning_monk

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:49 PM

child rapists/killers have the most hellish life out of all prisoners. they are the at the very bottom of the totem pole in the prisoner hierarchy. they are the bitch of bitches. so, give that person a nice quick painless death? or let them live out the rest of their natural life in a constant state of abuse at the hands of other prisoners and guards?

EnderWiggin

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:50 PM

Leigh, for the purposes of your class, here's what you're going to have to argue against. Personal ideology aside.

Our Justice system contains the idea that the State is afforded a greater gradation of "moral action" than the individual.

One of the arguments I'm seeing from you is "Two wrongs don't make a right," which is irrelevant. Punishment issued by the State (substitute Government for State if you want) is less an "eye for an eye" kind of deal, and more of a deterrence.

Now, you can attack that; because statistically, capitol punishment as deterrence to crime doesn't work.

It doesn't matter what oath Doctors take if they're not administering the injections. If you want to refine that and say that "medical procedures performed by non-doctors for the purpose of causing the death of a patient is immoral," that might make more sense.

The "life in prison" argument falters on the grounds that individuals who have "murdered" a certain number of individuals, or have committed enough of a particular type or types of wrong have "forfeited their right to life." You could go the route of arguing that the "right to life is inalienable," but a simple look at the animal kingdom will show you how difficult that is to argue.

For what you have, arguing from a financial standpoint; that it's less expensive to keep individuals imprisoned for life, more morally correct, and sets a better example for future generations is a good train of argument to begin with.

bryhouse14

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:51 PM

nope.

EnderWiggin

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:52 PM

burning_monk Said:

child rapists/killers have the most hellish life out of all prisoners. they are the at the very bottom of the totem pole in the prisoner hierarchy. they are the bitch of bitches. so, give that person a nice quick painless death? or let them live out the rest of their natural life in a constant state of abuse at the hands of other prisoners and guards?

I don't agree with the idea that it's better to throw a prisoner to the lions--or, uh, Bears in this case--than just execute them outright.

My stance is that if someone has forfeited their right to live in society, and it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have forfeited that right, they should be discarded for the greater good of the whole.

EnderWiggin

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April 17th, 2008 - 7:55 PM

beardofdoom Said:

EnderWiggin Said:

And don't give me this BS about "life is precious." We issue kids medals for brutally killing other young kids in a ritual we call "war."

yeah, well, i didn't sign up for that BS either.

killing is killing, no matter what name or justification you put behind it.

I don't agree with organized religion, but no society in the history of man has successfully survived without it or war in one form or another.

I can respect the ideology that killing is wrong, and that somebody should do whatever they can to avoid killing at all costs, but I don't know of any society which supports this at all levels for all of its members.

burning_monk

BRONX/NY
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April 17th, 2008 - 8:00 PM

well, if we're gonna have a death penalty i think it should be made a spectacle of like cary said.

hangings up on the hill
beheadings in the town square
drawn and quartered in front of the quickcheck

elizaelectric

NEW YORK/NY
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April 17th, 2008 - 8:02 PM

xleighxcorex Said:

List of methods historically used in capital punishment. And its a long one.

i'm sorry to be silly but WTF CRUSHING BY ELEPHANT? i'm LOLing and grimacing at the same time.

dontlosehope

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:05 PM

I am against fighting acts of violence with violence. Who am i to take a life of GOD? What if that certain person that was put to death could of turned around and did something glorious. If people didn't fight violence with violence what would the world be like today? A whole lot more peaceful that's for sure. :) I respect life of all types, especially those who can not speak or stand up for themself.

A incident that really touched me was when pope john paul the second was shot..he actually went to the jail cell to visit that man that commited the crime. The man apologized and the pope forgave him. He is my ultimate inspiration to forgive and love everyone, especially those who i find relationships most difficult with.
<3

burning_monk

BRONX/NY
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April 17th, 2008 - 8:09 PM

My choice is Scaphism:
The naked person would be firmly fastened within a back-to-back pair of narrow rowboats (or in some variations a hollowed out tree trunk), the head, hands, and feet protruding from this improvised container. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body so as to attract insects to the exposed appendages. They would then be left to float on a stagnant pond (or alternately, simply exposed to the sun somewhere). The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed (and increasingly gangrenous) flesh. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Insanity would typically set in after a few days.

God that sounds amazing.

dontlosehope

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:12 PM

I am against fighting acts of violence with violence. Who am i to take a life of GOD? What if that certain person that was put to death could of turned around and did something glorious. If people didn't fight violence with violence what would the world be like today? A whole lot more peaceful that's for sure. :) I respect life of all types, especially those who can not speak or stand up for themself.

A incident that really touched me was when pope john paul the second was shot..he actually went to the jail cell to visit that man that commited the crime. The man apologized and the pope forgave him. He is my ultimate inspiration to forgive and love everyone, especially those who i find relationships most difficult with.
<3

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
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Posts: 3869

April 17th, 2008 - 8:15 PM

Thank you for your input Brian.

However, I am not writing a paper or giving a speech on anything. My school was holding a panel discussion with a few professors, a priest, and a member of amnesty international who works to abolish the death penalty everyday.

I just thought that since we try to be educated adults here this would make for good discussion. No?

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
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April 17th, 2008 - 8:21 PM

burning_monk Said:

well, if we're gonna have a death penalty i think it should be made a spectacle of like cary said.

hangings up on the hill
beheadings in the town square
drawn and quartered in front of the quickcheck

I agree. If putting someone to death is such a big deal that only one person is allowed in the room when it happens, why do it at all? Its obviously inhumane and does no more good than harm...

xleighxcorex

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:24 PM

burning_monk Said:

My choice is Scaphism:
The naked person would be firmly fastened within a back-to-back pair of narrow rowboats (or in some variations a hollowed out tree trunk), the head, hands, and feet protruding from this improvised container. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body so as to attract insects to the exposed appendages. They would then be left to float on a stagnant pond (or alternately, simply exposed to the sun somewhere). The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed (and increasingly gangrenous) flesh. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Insanity would typically set in after a few days.

God that sounds amazing.

Well I hope you get to die that way when my state sentences you to death for a crime you probably didnt commit.

Oh I didnt even mention the innocent put to death did I? Damn....

dontlosehope

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April 17th, 2008 - 8:37 PM

Also i would like to add a few more things sweetie: I find it incredibly unfortunate that the ones put to death were sick. Instead of destroying their life in which could of turned around (we do not know for sure) they still could of lead a life to prepare for heaven in the enclosed gates of jail. Given i am a Christian, my reason for living is to love and honor God while i prepare for heaven. I am on this earth soley to go to the kingdom to meet with my Lord. God forgives all, so why can not we? If we find the love in our hearts to give those who are mentally sick or all in all dangerous we will be at more peace. Also, if i am correct i belive it is MORE costly to give the death penalty rather than a life sentence in jail. Death is not the way to go. Punishment in other forms in my eyes is a better idea. And with our security today we CAN lock up the dangerous where they will not escape. Give them them th eopportunity to seek forgiveness within our Lord and hopefully, by chance be forgiven by those whom they hurt.

EnderWiggin

LAKE FOREST/CA
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Posts: 8919

April 17th, 2008 - 9:06 PM

xleighxcorex Said:

burning_monk Said:

My choice is Scaphism:
The naked person would be firmly fastened within a back-to-back pair of narrow rowboats (or in some variations a hollowed out tree trunk), the head, hands, and feet protruding from this improvised container. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body so as to attract insects to the exposed appendages. They would then be left to float on a stagnant pond (or alternately, simply exposed to the sun somewhere). The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed (and increasingly gangrenous) flesh. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Insanity would typically set in after a few days.

God that sounds amazing.

Well I hope you get to die that way when my state sentences you to death for a crime you probably didnt commit.

Oh I didnt even mention the innocent put to death did I? Damn....

I thought you were against vindictive punishment.

xleighxcorex

WINCHESTER/VA
Joined: 11/20/07
Posts: 3869

April 17th, 2008 - 10:44 PM

EnderWiggin Said:

xleighxcorex Said:

burning_monk Said:

My choice is Scaphism:
The naked person would be firmly fastened within a back-to-back pair of narrow rowboats (or in some variations a hollowed out tree trunk), the head, hands, and feet protruding from this improvised container. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body so as to attract insects to the exposed appendages. They would then be left to float on a stagnant pond (or alternately, simply exposed to the sun somewhere). The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed (and increasingly gangrenous) flesh. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Insanity would typically set in after a few days.

God that sounds amazing.

Well I hope you get to die that way when my state sentences you to death for a crime you probably didnt commit.

Oh I didnt even mention the innocent put to death did I? Damn....

I thought you were against vindictive punishment.

I am against vindictive punishment. But I am all for sarcasm.

shesuperfreaky

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April 17th, 2008 - 10:48 PM

burning_monk Said:

well, if we're gonna have a death penalty i think it should be made a spectacle of like cary said.

hangings up on the hill
beheadings in the town square
drawn and quartered in front of the quickcheck

yes.
this sounds wild.
i dig it, though

beardofdoom

SEMINOLE/FL
Joined: 04/24/07
Posts: 2709

April 18th, 2008 - 4:03 AM

EnderWiggin Said:

beardofdoom Said:

EnderWiggin Said:

And don't give me this BS about "life is precious." We issue kids medals for brutally killing other young kids in a ritual we call "war."

yeah, well, i didn't sign up for that BS either.

killing is killing, no matter what name or justification you put behind it.

I don't agree with organized religion, but no society in the history of man has successfully survived without it or war in one form or another.

I can respect the ideology that killing is wrong, and that somebody should do whatever they can to avoid killing at all costs, but I don't know of any society which supports this at all levels for all of its members.

just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't happen.
see my response in the politics thread.