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NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:22 PM

so call me old fashioned...

just because I asked someone if they wanted to go to dinner would you think that I should pay?
I figured going dutch is even steven... but this guy expects me to pay for the both of us...

seriously now... guys out there... do you make the girl pay???



SIERRA VISTA/AZ
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:25 PM

i think if YOU invite someone to dinner, you should offer to pay.


that's how i think....if someone invites me to dinner i normally think they will pay since they threw the invite out (i'm talking about a date, not just with casual friends) but always come prepared because i really don't *expect* them to pay.....



Montreal
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:26 PM

IF YOU INVITED HIM, IT'S ON YOU TO PAY. HAD HE INVITED YOU AND EXPECTED YOU TO PAY, THEN THAT'S WRONG.

IT'S ONLY DUTCH IF IT'S AGREED UPON BEFOREHAND.



BRONX/NY
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:27 PM

oh i make them pay alright


Montreal
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:28 PM

LOL

"C'MON... I BOUGHT YOU LOBSTER!"



NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:34 PM

well crap


NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:38 PM

he got pretty mad when I asked if he would pay me back
lol

shit... i don't know how to date.



CARLSBAD/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:40 PM

at least he didn't say he want's to smash your face .


NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:42 PM

great now this guy probably hates me


NEWTONVILLE/MA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:43 PM

jessbuck_wtf Said:
he got pretty mad when I asked if he would pay me back
lol

shit... i don't know how to date.


well this dude doesn't know how to date either. cuz if he is at all trying to get in your pants, paying for dinner is step #1



Montreal
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:45 PM

jessbuck_wtf Said:
he got pretty mad when I asked if he would pay me back
lol

shit... i don't know how to date.


LOL WTF DON'T ASK FOR MONEY BACK IF *YOU* INVITED *HIM* OUT ON THE DATE.

THAT'S SO MUCH FAIL I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN!!!

I'M SURE HE NOT ONLY THINKS YOU'RE A CHEAP-ASS, BUT I GUARANTEE HE WOULDN'T WANT TO DATE YOU ANYMORE.



LOS ANGELES/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:46 PM

Eh....

If there are any romantic inklings the dude should pay 100% of the time until a relationship is established. After that you can split stuff or treat one another... but during the "courting process", the dude gets all the bills imo.



NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:48 PM

gibby Said:
Eh....

If there are any romantic inklings the dude should pay 100% of the time until a relationship is established. After that you can split stuff or treat one another... but during the "courting process", the dude gets all the bills imo.



THANK YOU GIBBY ... MEN LIKE YOU STILL EXIST.

now i gota find one..



NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:49 PM

and i also gota learn how to date people who think the other way i guess...

i feel like a jerk still



Montreal
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:50 PM

NO WAY, GIBBY. THE INVITER ALWAYS PAYS, UNLESS IT'S A FRIEND SITUATION. THEN IT'S A 50/50 SPLIT (OR WHATEVER EACH PERSON SPENDS ON THEIR MEAL).


NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:51 PM

discostu Said:
jessbuck_wtf Said:
he got pretty mad when I asked if he would pay me back
lol

shit... i don't know how to date.


LOL WTF DON'T ASK FOR MONEY BACK IF *YOU* INVITED *HIM* OUT ON THE DATE.

THAT'S SO MUCH FAIL I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN!!!

I'M SURE HE NOT ONLY THINKS YOU'RE A CHEAP-ASS, BUT I GUARANTEE HE WOULDN'T WANT TO DATE YOU ANYMORE.



well he said the bank was closed and he was outta cash.. so it sounded as though he was intending on paying maybe ... but we didnt even go.. i asked before we went.. and now its too late so..

i havnt been single in over three years now... im trying to remember what its like



Montreal
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:51 PM

FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


CARLSBAD/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:54 PM

gibby Said:
Eh....

If there are any romantic inklings the dude should pay 100% of the time until a relationship is established. After that you can split stuff or treat one another... but during the "courting process", the dude gets all the bills imo.




totally agree.



NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:56 PM

damn it!


i keep trying to start off on a good foot with this guy and it always ends ugly... he gets pissed off too easy and i think thats a bad sign



NEWTONVILLE/MA
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September 6th, 2008 - 9:57 PM

discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


i disagree! gonna have to go with gubs on this one. certainly, this shouldn't AT ALL be discussed BEFORE the dinner. dude should just grab the bill when it arrives. if girl offers to go dutch you DECLINE. she should then say "thanks, that's very nice of you". if she again offers on the second or third date, and insists more than twice ("no no, really, you paid last time...") well, welcome to the friend zone, pal.



LOS ANGELES/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:03 PM

bradarad Said:
discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


i disagree! gonna have to go with gubs on this one. certainly, this shouldn't AT ALL be discussed BEFORE the dinner. dude should just grab the bill when it arrives. if girl offers to go dutch you DECLINE. she should then say "thanks, that's very nice of you". if she again offers on the second or third date, and insists more than twice ("no no, really, you paid last time...") well, welcome to the friend zone, pal.


WISE WORDS. HEED THEM WELL



BRONX/NY
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:05 PM

jokes aside, i am curious, do you lads apply this same rule to other cost based outings? like if a girl asked approached you to go see a show or a movie?


NEWTONVILLE/MA
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:11 PM

adamgetsawesome Said:
bradarad Said:
discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


i disagree! gonna have to go with gubs on this one. certainly, this shouldn't AT ALL be discussed BEFORE the dinner. dude should just grab the bill when it arrives. if girl offers to go dutch you DECLINE. she should then say "thanks, that's very nice of you". if she again offers on the second or third date, and insists more than twice ("no no, really, you paid last time...") well, welcome to the friend zone, pal.


It's not always friend zone if that happens... some women just don't like being paid for.


THEN THESE WOMEN AREN'T WORTH DATING. once she's pays early on, she has just bought the right to "and then there's this new girl at work, courtney... and all the guys think she's so fucking great but she's such a whiney bitch and i can't stand her... you should have seen what she was wearing today oh my god she is such a slut... and then bryce is all "great idea courtney" in our meeting today and i was all "are you kidding me?! i thought of that like two weeks ago!" but of course he didn't notice because i'm not all flaunting my tits all over the office like a whore. i'm pretty sure she stole my highlighter too, and it was my favorite one. i had that one for like two years. who does she think she is, anyway? ugh i bet if you saw her you would think she was pretty too. guys are such assholes."



Hordaland,Bergen/Long beach,California
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:18 PM

All these Beyouce songs have me confused...i though women were paying their own bills and what not. but even still what sort of bag-o-shite goes to lunch without expecting to pay for his own food.


NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:19 PM

bradarad Said:
adamgetsawesome Said:
bradarad Said:
discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


i disagree! gonna have to go with gubs on this one. certainly, this shouldn't AT ALL be discussed BEFORE the dinner. dude should just grab the bill when it arrives. if girl offers to go dutch you DECLINE. she should then say "thanks, that's very nice of you". if she again offers on the second or third date, and insists more than twice ("no no, really, you paid last time...") well, welcome to the friend zone, pal.


It's not always friend zone if that happens... some women just don't like being paid for.


THEN THESE WOMEN AREN'T WORTH DATING. once she's pays early on, she has just bought the right to "and then there's this new girl at work, courtney... and all the guys think she's so fucking great but she's such a whiney bitch and i can't stand her... you should have seen what she was wearing today oh my god she is such a slut... and then bryce is all "great idea courtney" in our meeting today and i was all "are you kidding me?! i thought of that like two weeks ago!" but of course he didn't notice because i'm not all flaunting my tits all over the office like a whore. i'm pretty sure she stole my highlighter too, and it was my favorite one. i had that one for like two years. who does she think she is, anyway? ugh i bet if you saw her you would think she was pretty too. guys are such assholes."



hahahaha

o man..



NAPA/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:21 PM

i need to meet a decent man who wont flip his lid if i expect him to pay for himself.. either that or i have a lot to learn. id hate to think this is my fault... but im starting to get that notion... no way... this guy is a little on the edgy side... he shouldnt get so damn defensive... if anything he can communicate to me how he feels and i will respond... minus all the anger etc.


Montreal
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:21 PM

bradarad Said:
discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


i disagree! gonna have to go with gubs on this one. certainly, this shouldn't AT ALL be discussed BEFORE the dinner. dude should just grab the bill when it arrives. if girl offers to go dutch you DECLINE. she should then say "thanks, that's very nice of you". if she again offers on the second or third date, and insists more than twice ("no no, really, you paid last time...") well, welcome to the friend zone, pal.


LOOK. IT ISN'T ABOUT DISCUSSING IT BEFORE THE DATE/DINNER. DUDE GOT ASKED OUT BY HER. IT'S NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY OR OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR THE MEAL. YES, HE COULD HAVE BEEN POLITE AND OFFERED TO PAY, BUT THE OWNESS IS STILL ON HER TO FOOT THE BILL. SORRY, THAT'S JUST HOW THINGS WORK.

SHE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE UPSET BECAUSE HE WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT EXPECTING TO BE THE ONE TO PAY BECAUSE SHE ASKED HIM OUT ON THE DATE. THEREFORE, IN THIS INSTANCE ONLY, SHE SHOULD PAY. IF HE WERE TO INITIATE A SECOND DATE (THOUGH IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKELY!), HE SHOULD PAY FOR EVERYTHING ON THAT DATE. END OF STORY.

IT'S ALSO RUDE TO ASK FOR MONEY BACK AFTERWARDS.



NEW YORK/NY
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:28 PM

bradarad Said:
discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


i disagree! gonna have to go with gubs on this one. certainly, this shouldn't AT ALL be discussed BEFORE the dinner. dude should just grab the bill when it arrives. if girl offers to go dutch you DECLINE. she should then say "thanks, that's very nice of you". if she again offers on the second or third date, and insists more than twice ("no no, really, you paid last time...") well, welcome to the friend zone, pal.


I'm gunna have to say Bradley has an A+ analysis of this, IMHO.

i'm progressive and shit and don't like being condescended to, but paying for my meal is always nice. now maybe if i had mad cash i'd be more up for paying...but...

also I will continuously offer to pay when a date is going badly.



NEWTONVILLE/MA
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:28 PM

discostu Said:
LOOK. IT ISN'T ABOUT DISCUSSING IT BEFORE THE DATE/DINNER. DUDE GOT ASKED OUT BY HER. IT'S NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY OR OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR THE MEAL. YES, HE COULD HAVE BEEN POLITE AND OFFERED TO PAY, BUT THE OWNESS IS STILL ON HER TO FOOT THE BILL. SORRY, THAT'S JUST HOW THINGS WORK.

SHE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE UPSET BECAUSE HE WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT EXPECTING TO BE THE ONE TO PAY BECAUSE SHE ASKED HIM OUT ON THE DATE. THEREFORE, IN THIS INSTANCE ONLY, SHE SHOULD PAY. IF HE WERE TO INITIATE A SECOND DATE (THOUGH IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKELY!), HE SHOULD PAY FOR EVERYTHING ON THAT DATE. END OF STORY.





Hordaland,Bergen/Long beach,California
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:34 PM

All my mamas with profit dollars


BRONX/NY
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:47 PM

my stance on this hot button topic which seems to be getting off track from the original post:

i would not pay for a girl who asked ME out to dinner. i would be fine with paying for myself but would have a slight expectation that she might pay for both since she is initiating the whole thing. otherwise this is the food/dinner version of girls who go to bars and walk up to men saying "buy me a drink!" which i've seen and think it's pathetic that dudes actually do it.


anytime after the first date that she initiated i am ok with paying for.



NEW YORK/NY
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:50 PM

here is a new rule that I think should be instated: whoever makes more money, pays.

the only problem with that is that people don't like talking about their $$$. but , for instance, if i am young college student (which I am), going on a date with someone who can actually pay their bills, has a real job, etc etc, then they should pay, but if i am some millionaire heiress, then you know, i should pay.



NEW YORK/NY
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September 6th, 2008 - 10:54 PM

if by some crazy chance both people make the exact same amount of $, then in a perfect world, whoever asks the other person out first should pay. but that's in a perfectly egalitarian world....

if i offer only to pay for myself it's usually that i feel badly about something, or that I don't like you, or that i know you can't afford it. if i offer to pay for both, i might really like you but it's hard to saaaay...



PORTLAND/OR
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September 6th, 2008 - 11:05 PM

LOST IN ALL OF THESE DUDES BEING SEXIST AND NOT LETTING THE WOMEN PAY FOR DINNERS:

I THOUGHT JESS HAD A BOYFRIEND.

?



LOS ANGELES/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 11:15 PM

hathos Said:
LOST IN ALL OF THESE DUDES BEING SEXIST AND NOT LETTING THE WOMEN PAY FOR DINNERS:

I THOUGHT JESS HAD A BOYFRIEND.

?


It's called being a gentleman. Like holding the door for a woman. There is nothing condescending about it.



PORTLAND/OR
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September 6th, 2008 - 11:22 PM

IF YOU INVITE, YOU OUGHT TO BE READY TO PAY.


- KOLEY (DON'T FEEL LIKE LOGGING OUT AND BACK IN)



ALSO ASSUMING THE MAN SHOULD ALWAYS PAY _IS_ SEXIST.


http://P.S. YOU SHOULD HOLD THE DOOR FOR ANYONE. ITS CALLED BEING POLITE.



LOS ANGELES/CA
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September 6th, 2008 - 11:46 PM

hathos Said:
IF YOU INVITE, YOU OUGHT TO BE READY TO PAY.


- KOLEY (DON'T FEEL LIKE LOGGING OUT AND BACK IN)



ALSO ASSUMING THE MAN SHOULD ALWAYS PAY _IS_ SEXIST.


http://P.S]http://P.S[/url]]http://P.S]http://P.S[/url][/url]. YOU SHOULD HOLD THE DOOR FOR ANYONE. ITS CALLED BEING POLITE.



Well I agree on all points. But it's the man's job to at least offer. But hey I was raised in the south.



LAKE FOREST/CA
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September 7th, 2008 - 12:38 AM

How about stop dating mama's boys.

He's a tool if he didn't' at least offer to pay for his half of the dinner, even if he didn't expect to in the first place.

It has nothing to do with who-asked-who-out etiquette, it's the difference between going on a date and freeloading off somebody.



Paris
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September 7th, 2008 - 3:54 AM

jessbuck_wtf Said:
he got pretty mad when I asked if he would pay me back
lol

shit... i don't know how to date.




since when a lady has to pay the dinner of her date?



Paris
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September 7th, 2008 - 3:56 AM

discostu Said:
FURTHERMORE, IF *HE* HAD INITIATED THE COURTING PROCESS, THEN YES HE WOULD PAY. BECAUSE SHE INITIATED IT, IT'S TOTALLY ON HER.


this is the first time you are kind of annoying



OUT ON AN ISLAND
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September 7th, 2008 - 6:45 AM

girlnamedbrigid Said:
i think if YOU invite someone to dinner, you should offer to pay.


that's how i think....if someone invites me to dinner i normally think they will pay since they threw the invite out (i'm talking about a date, not just with casual friends) but always come prepared because i really don't *expect* them to pay.....




SRSLY, HOW YOU DOIN'???? IF ONLY THINGS WERE DIFFERENT :/


RE THREAD:

OH WAIT IS THIS ONE OF THOSE 'PICK AND CHOOSE' FEMINIST MOMENTS???



OUT ON AN ISLAND
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September 7th, 2008 - 6:50 AM

EnderWiggin Said:
How about stop dating mama's boys.

He's a tool if he didn't' at least offer to pay for his half of the dinner, even if he didn't expect to in the first place.

It has nothing to do with who-asked-who-out etiquette, it's the difference between going on a date and freeloading off somebody.


this is stupid. so its ok for girls to freeload? or would you just say stop dating daddy's girls?


SENSE: YOURE NOT MAKIN IT





ST. JAMES INFIRMARY
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September 7th, 2008 - 7:57 AM

gibby Said:
Eh....

If there are any romantic inklings the dude should pay 100% of the time until a relationship is established. After that you can split stuff or treat one another... but during the "courting process", the dude gets all the bills imo.


i agree, but i always get cash out and offer to pay my share or the tip/bar tip. usually shot down, though.



ST. JAMES INFIRMARY
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September 7th, 2008 - 8:02 AM

i just finished reading the thread, and i would like to also offer this monkeywrench. i have often been in the situation where i go out with someone that i make WAY more money than. in this case, i usually do something like pick up the bar tab or put a few twenties down on the meal. but now i am dating someone who makes a lot more than me, so i don't feel bad about making him pay for everything.


OUT ON AN ISLAND
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September 7th, 2008 - 9:07 AM

cicada Said:
i just finished reading the thread, and i would like to also offer this monkeywrench. i have often been in the situation where i go out with someone that i make WAY more money than. in this case, i usually do something like pick up the bar tab or put a few twenties down on the meal. but now i am dating someone who makes a lot more than me, so i don't feel bad about making him pay for everything.




HA! FAIRWEATHER FEMINIST!



BRONX/NY
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September 7th, 2008 - 9:13 AM

YEAH I JUST WANT TO GET THIS STRAIGHT WITH YOU LIBERATED GIRLS:

YOU WILL BE BOLD/STRONG/INDEPENDENT ENOUGH TO BE THE ONE TO ASK A GUY OUT ON A FIRST DATE BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE DATE YOU EXPECT HIM TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE.........YOU'RE A WOMAN? IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME THEN YOU ALL NEED TO GET YOUR BAREFOOT ASSES BACK IN THE KITCHEN.





HectorXDelgado Said:
OH WAIT IS THIS ONE OF THOSE 'PICK AND CHOOSE' FEMINIST MOMENTS???



BRONX/NY
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September 7th, 2008 - 9:15 AM

*STRICTLY TALKING ABOUT YOU ASKING THE GUY OUT FIRST SITUATION


OUT ON AN ISLAND
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September 7th, 2008 - 9:15 AM

mike i swear sometimes if we teamed up we could take over the world!! THE WORLD!!!


BRONX/NY
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September 7th, 2008 - 9:19 AM

LOL!


^5



SEATTLE/WA
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September 7th, 2008 - 10:19 AM

I FUCKIN PAY FOR EVERYTHING.





she pays for the tip. 20%



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