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Martyna
Vilnius
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July 6th, 2009 - 8:29 AM

It's a movement that lots of people talk of. I wonder , what if the bigger part of the world agreed with the idea of abolishing concepts of a 'man' and a 'women' when it comes to non - biological subjects? When it'd come to relationships - do you think it would make some of the roles switch, but people would be still attracted to those who had opposite characteristics, for example 'feminine' man would be attracted to 'masculine' woman or something like that and do you think it would let people be more of themselves? Since I don't understand this subject well and since I know how this topic can provoke some of you, I'm sorry if it insults someone, I don't mean it,


Nadbash
MANCHESTER/NH
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July 6th, 2009 - 8:30 AM

If we abandon the concepts of man and women, then that means I'll have to do my own dishes and make my own sandwiches, and I can't have that.


LSD
WASHINGTON/DC
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July 6th, 2009 - 8:33 AM

do what now?


wilmathen
a little place near maplin.
Joined: 05/19/09
Posts: 59
July 6th, 2009 - 8:38 AM

i'm not sure what i think on the subject. but to be honest i do agree each to their own. no two people are the same.


audrey_james
BLOOMINGTON/IN
Joined: 12/21/08
Posts: 1424
July 6th, 2009 - 10:32 AM

fuck feminism. equal rights, yes. equal physically/instinctually? not a chance.
genders are biologically different and thus have different biological purposes/reasons for doing certain things.
this isn't to say that women should be treated as lesser than men, or not given as many opportunities, etc. it just drives me nuts when people say that men and women are exactly the same, because they're not. you can't remove gender or gender roles and expect to be satisfied mentally. it's not scientifically viable.


Martyna
Vilnius
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Posts: 40
July 6th, 2009 - 10:49 AM

feminism = equal rights, isn't it? ;] yeah, physically or instinctually men and women can't be equal, for sure. But what about psychological aspect? Out of curiosity I'm asking, what if stereotypes were removed from our heads? What if we didn't indicate ourselves as 'man' or 'woman' when it'd come to our behaviour. I was also intrigued when I got this comparison with slavery. Lots of slaves didn't want to become free, they didn't think life could be different for them. What if we, men and women, don't want gender roles removal just because we don't imagine life this way, since gender roles exist longer than slavery, it existed from the very start? I personally like gender roles the way they are today, I'm just wondering.


DrSuesscide
CARY/NC
Joined: 06/20/09
Posts: 1281
July 6th, 2009 - 10:55 AM

I always thought gender roles were a psychological instinct (not rooted stereotypes) and that's why they haven't really changed since the dawn of time. I always figured that to be the case, instead of fear of change...which could be possible, I suppose.


FatalityLessons
BREMERTON/WA
Joined: 07/03/09
Posts: 600
July 6th, 2009 - 10:58 AM

Go be a feminist if you want, just wear a bra....


Nadbash
MANCHESTER/NH
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July 6th, 2009 - 11:00 AM

I'm still waiting for my goddamn sandwich.


Martyna
Vilnius
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Posts: 40
July 6th, 2009 - 11:12 AM

As I told before, I don't really know this subjet well. So I don't know if gender roles is instinct. And well, I guess they have changed a bit I guess, let's take metrosexualism for example. On the other hand, you could say men wore make - up at all times by taking examples of different tribes that painted signs on their bodies or French court fashion in XVIII century. I'm telling you, it's not that simple ;D


Nadbash
MANCHESTER/NH
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July 6th, 2009 - 11:22 AM

If I'm not presented with a fabulous sandwich by a dozen bare-chested women in 10 minutes, y'all don't get to vote any more.


gravytrain009
BROOKLYN/NY
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July 6th, 2009 - 11:56 AM

I exclusively date girly men.

/contribution


timorousme
WHEELING/WV
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Posts: 1182
July 6th, 2009 - 12:10 PM

I was a Women's Studies/Lit major in college and have way too much information on this subject to put into a post, so I'm going to keep it very to the point.

I believe that gender and sexuality are social constructs. There is a tendency of humans to have to put things into categories, and gender is one of the strangest of those. It's stupid to believe that there is a definitive difference between a man and a woman.

Before you say "A vagina," I should mention that I know a person who has a full female reproductive system and is XY chromosomally. What gender role do you suggest here?

Do you really give Archee a male gender role over somebody like girl01?

There's a lot more to this than you think.


Nadbash
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July 6th, 2009 - 12:21 PM

timorousme Said:
I was a Women's Studies/Lit major in college and have way too much information on this subject to put into a post, so I'm going to keep it very to the point.

I believe that gender and sexuality are social constructs. There is a tendency of humans to have to put things into categories, and gender is one of the strangest of those. It's stupid to believe that there is a definitive difference between a man and a woman.

Before you say "A vagina," I should mention that I know a person who has a full female reproductive system and is XY chromosomally. What gender role do you suggest here?

Do you really give Archee a male gender role over somebody like girl01?

There's a lot more to this than you think.


It all comes down to "Pimps up, hoes down."

Also, I no topless sandwich delivery, so kiss your suffrage goodbye, ladies.


practicedhatred
LA PUENTE/CA
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July 6th, 2009 - 12:28 PM

EQUAL RIGHTS = EQUAL FIGHTS


teaandfirelight
GLENDALE/AZ
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Posts: 4122
July 6th, 2009 - 12:29 PM

I like gender-specific roles.


That's all.


DrSuesscide
CARY/NC
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Posts: 1281
July 6th, 2009 - 12:31 PM

This thread is confusing me.


teaandfirelight
GLENDALE/AZ
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Posts: 4122
July 6th, 2009 - 12:35 PM

DrSuesscide Said:
This thread is confusing me.


What I gleaned from this is that the OP is asking what do you think would happen if gender-roles were completely obliterated.
As in, no more man/woman, a lot more "human being".
She also asked if we thought that society would just shun this change and continue to live in a gender-specific community.


DrSuesscide
CARY/NC
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Posts: 1281
July 6th, 2009 - 12:42 PM

teaandfirelight Said:
DrSuesscide Said:
This thread is confusing me.


What I gleaned from this is that the OP is asking what do you think would happen if gender-roles were completely obliterated.
As in, no more man/woman, a lot more "human being".
She also asked if we thought that society would just shun this change and continue to live in a gender-specific community.

Right-O.


Martyna
Vilnius
Joined: 01/27/08
Posts: 40
July 6th, 2009 - 12:52 PM

This thread is meant to confuse ;D and to make think about this ;D I like gender specific roles myself, but do I ever think that it's probably only because I'm used to it? :] Damn, it's interesting.


teaandfirelight
GLENDALE/AZ
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Posts: 4122
July 6th, 2009 - 12:54 PM

Martyna Said:
This thread is meant to confuse ;D and to make think about this ;D I like gender specific roles myself, but do I ever think that it's probably only because I'm used to it? :] Damn, it's interesting.


smilie-face overkill.
No one can really discuss the topic if they don't understand it.


timorousme
WHEELING/WV
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Posts: 1182
July 6th, 2009 - 12:58 PM

teaandfirelight Said:
Martyna Said:
This thread is meant to confuse ;D and to make think about this ;D I like gender specific roles myself, but do I ever think that it's probably only because I'm used to it? :] Damn, it's interesting.


smilie-face overkill.
No one can really discuss the topic if they don't understand it.


Why not? Ministers do it all the time.


Martyna
Vilnius
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Posts: 40
July 6th, 2009 - 12:59 PM

Topic is made for that reason - to get more information, opinions.. I'm trying to understand it.


teaandfirelight
GLENDALE/AZ
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Posts: 4122
July 6th, 2009 - 1:05 PM

timorousme Said:
teaandfirelight Said:
Martyna Said:
This thread is meant to confuse ;D and to make think about this ;D I like gender specific roles myself, but do I ever think that it's probably only because I'm used to it? :] Damn, it's interesting.


smilie-face overkill.
No one can really discuss the topic if they don't understand it.


Why not? Ministers do it all the time.


I think for someone trying to gain information or opinions on the topic, it would be best to outline it clearly rather than throwing out a mosh of confusing words.

But whatever.


zervoslives
CROWN POINT/IN
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July 6th, 2009 - 1:05 PM

I think it's lost most of its meaning now. Watch an episode of "Mad Men," I understand that's what gender relations were once like. It's hard to address gender biases and such when they aren't really as implicit now. We have more of a situation where there are institutional biases against women (pay, job roles, etc.) and overt sexism (genuine belief that women are less capable).


gnome_again
WACO/TX
Joined: 01/27/09
Posts: 2547
July 6th, 2009 - 3:19 PM

i have a sharp disagreement with the concept that women ought to assert their worth by being more like men.


RichardChainsaw
CHICAGO/IL
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Posts: 1474
July 6th, 2009 - 3:22 PM

Serious Thread is Serious.


Spazzcakes
DURHAM/NC
Joined: 11/23/08
Posts: 7665
July 6th, 2009 - 3:22 PM

No, it's just about respect.

If you've got it, flaunt it.


alexoverdrive
BALTIMORE/MD
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Posts: 1864
July 6th, 2009 - 6:15 PM

Feminism is a joke.


Nadbash
MANCHESTER/NH
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July 6th, 2009 - 6:16 PM

Ok this is bullshit, I had to make my own dinner, the dishes are still fucking dirty and I don't hear the washing machine. Are you bitches on strike or some shit? God.


fitter
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July 6th, 2009 - 6:19 PM

gnome_again Said:
i have a sharp disagreement with the concept that women ought to assert their worth by being more like men.


defnitely the best thing about girls is that they are not dudes.


FatalityLessons
BREMERTON/WA
Joined: 07/03/09
Posts: 600
July 6th, 2009 - 6:20 PM

Oh my god! HAHAHA!!!!!!
Nadbash Said:
Ok this is bullshit, I had to make my own dinner, the dishes are still fucking dirty and I don't hear the washing machine. Are you bitches on strike or some shit? God.


Hollow
GAINESVILLE/FL
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Posts: 4020
July 6th, 2009 - 6:21 PM

*\O/* LIKE YAY


burning_monk
BROOKLYN/NY
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July 6th, 2009 - 7:18 PM

what if God was one of us?


sofaggy
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July 6th, 2009 - 7:21 PM

fitter Said:
gnome_again Said:
i have a sharp disagreement with the concept that women ought to assert their worth by being more like men.


defnitely the best thing about girls is that they are not dudes.


I love being a woman


fitter
AUSTIN/TX
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July 6th, 2009 - 7:28 PM

and we love you for it!


MechanicalWings
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July 6th, 2009 - 8:30 PM




audrey_james
BLOOMINGTON/IN
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Posts: 1424
July 6th, 2009 - 9:37 PM

to be honest many gender-based "stereotypes" are actually biologically based, and have a primitive reason for being true. They shouldn't be used to mentally or psychologically stifle women or men, but they are impossible to eradicate completely.


xo_lovelife
Brisbane
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July 7th, 2009 - 1:16 AM

amy is right... there is no real definitive topic here.

but this;
audrey_james Said:
genders are biologically different and thus have different biological purposes/reasons for doing certain things.

makes the most sense to me.

ALSO;
Spazzcakes Said:

If you've got it, flaunt it.

lol


zervoslives
CROWN POINT/IN
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July 7th, 2009 - 1:20 AM

audrey_james Said:
to be honest many gender-based "stereotypes" are actually biologically based, and have a primitive reason for being true. They shouldn't be used to mentally or psychologically stifle women or men, but they are impossible to eradicate completely.


That.


lovexplosions
LA CROSSE/WI
Joined: 07/02/09
Posts: 21
July 7th, 2009 - 4:34 AM

what does a woman do when she gets out of the battered woman's shelter?



...the dishes, if she knows what's good for her.
/joke


Nadbash
MANCHESTER/NH
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July 7th, 2009 - 5:05 AM

I recieved a sandwich via mocmail. You may vote now.


Nadbash
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July 7th, 2009 - 5:05 AM

I recieved a sandwich via mocmail. You may vote now.


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